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Posted by gib_rebeg mikeboozer

mikeboozer wrote:"Everyone" did not get their events in, but many did. We usually have 15K to 20K events.

Retroactively looking at all of them is not happening.We do not post the event list until it has been vetted and ready. Confusion and chaos would ensue if we did that as changes that need to be made on so many fronts are required to be vetted.

The fact that many EO's have already submitted their Events and not inquired about asking to mask at the tables is telling.
Mike


Just to maybe help ease fears on this Mike, looking at the number of events submitted so far, are we on par with last years events, more than last year or coming up a bit short.

If we are on par or more events have been submitted, then it would show that the policy is not a concern of EO.

Posted by lanogironu tpir

danmcneill wrote:Yes, that's my point exactly.  But in this instance EOs can "soft demand" that someone wear one because the options are either you choose to wear one if asked or find a different event to play in.  I guess there's a third option of politely decline and spend the next 2-4 hours immersed in an awkward situation, but that's not really a good option.

No EO or GM can soft demand anything. Stop making up hypothetical unlikely situations to cry about. 
If a GM tries to soft demand you wear a mask, you say no. 99% or better of the time that will it and things will go on like normal. There is literally, and I mean this literally, always a potential for a GM or player to be an asshole. Like, that's just how people work. If it's not a mask there's ALWAYS been something that can trigger awkwardness or rife there or between other players. To me it sounds like you're projecting that it's very unlikely for you to enjoy a game in which a GM requests a mask, and if you are unwilling to wear one for the time of that event (surely implying you didn't care too much for the event anyway - because if you REALLY wanted to the do the event, you'd accept a polite mask request without throwing a fit) then worst case you get your money back, get a little game time, and I guess get an extra long meal break.

And Mike has already said there's 0 tolerance; so if the GM is being rude about it then you still get money back and they're probably banned from running events for a while. Seems GenCon is just trying to trust people to not be jerks to each other.

It's a very simple flow. If event says masks requested then you skip it or plan a mask. If an event didn't say that, you attend, and a GM asks for masks (super unlikely based on events so far) then you either put on a mask and play happily or say no. If you say no and can't play happily, you get a refund and leave the event. If you say no and they make a big deal of it, you get GC staff involved and the GM is probably gone and you still get a refund. 

Posted by kevinrg armored badger


Always thought the library was a couple 3rd party groups that did it so they were the EO's.  (kind of like the auction which isn't 'Gencon' itself doing the work).   Curious is all.
 

Posted by mikeboozer gib_rebeg

gib_rebeg wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:"Everyone" did not get their events in, but many did. We usually have 15K to 20K events.Retroactively looking at all of them is not happening.We do not post the event list until it has been vetted and ready. Confusion and chaos would ensue if we did that as changes that need to be made on so many fronts are required to be vetted.
The fact that many EO's have already submitted their Events and not inquired about asking to mask at the tables is telling.
Mike

Just to maybe help ease fears on this Mike, looking at the number of events submitted so far, are we on par with last years events, more than last year or coming up a bit short.If we are on par or more events have been submitted, then it would show that the policy is not a concern of EO.

It is no different then any other years. Lot's of Events being submitted.

Mike

Posted by tpir lanogironu

lanigironu wrote:
danmcneill wrote:Yes, that's my point exactly.  But in this instance EOs can "soft demand" that someone wear one because the options are either you choose to wear one if asked or find a different event to play in.  I guess there's a third option of politely decline and spend the next 2-4 hours immersed in an awkward situation, but that's not really a good option.

No EO or GM can soft demand anything. Stop making up hypothetical unlikely situations to cry about. 
If a GM tries to soft demand you wear a mask, you say no. 99% or better of the time that will it and things will go on like normal. There is literally, and I mean this literally, always a potential for a GM or player to be an asshole. Like, that's just how people work. If it's not a mask there's ALWAYS been something that can trigger awkwardness or rife there or between other players. To me it sounds like you're projecting that it's very unlikely for you to enjoy a game in which a GM requests a mask, and if you are unwilling to wear one for the time of that event (surely implying you didn't care too much for the event anyway - because if you REALLY wanted to the do the event, you'd accept a polite mask request without throwing a fit) then worst case you get your money back, get a little game time, and I guess get an extra long meal break.And Mike has already said there's 0 tolerance; so if the GM is being rude about it then you still get money back and they're probably banned from running events for a while. Seems GenCon is just trying to trust people to not be jerks to each other.
It's a very simple flow. If event says masks requested then you skip it or plan a mask. If an event didn't say that, you attend, and a GM asks for masks (super unlikely based on events so far) then you either put on a mask and play happily or say no. If you say no and can't play happily, you get a refund and leave the event. If you say no and they make a big deal of it, you get GC staff involved and the GM is probably gone and you still get a refund. 
You make a lot of assertions and assumptions here, none of which are even remotely accurate.  I purposely went out of my way to be respectful in my post and keep it about the broader issue; I would appreciate it if you would do the same.
 

Posted by mikeboozer tpir

danmcneill wrote:
lanigironu wrote:
danmcneill wrote:Yes, that's my point exactly.  But in this instance EOs can "soft demand" that someone wear one because the options are either you choose to wear one if asked or find a different event to play in.  I guess there's a third option of politely decline and spend the next 2-4 hours immersed in an awkward situation, but that's not really a good option.

No EO or GM can soft demand anything. Stop making up hypothetical unlikely situations to cry about. 
If a GM tries to soft demand you wear a mask, you say no. 99% or better of the time that will it and things will go on like normal. There is literally, and I mean this literally, always a potential for a GM or player to be an asshole. Like, that's just how people work. If it's not a mask there's ALWAYS been something that can trigger awkwardness or rife there or between other players. To me it sounds like you're projecting that it's very unlikely for you to enjoy a game in which a GM requests a mask, and if you are unwilling to wear one for the time of that event (surely implying you didn't care too much for the event anyway - because if you REALLY wanted to the do the event, you'd accept a polite mask request without throwing a fit) then worst case you get your money back, get a little game time, and I guess get an extra long meal break.And Mike has already said there's 0 tolerance; so if the GM is being rude about it then you still get money back and they're probably banned from running events for a while. Seems GenCon is just trying to trust people to not be jerks to each other.
It's a very simple flow. If event says masks requested then you skip it or plan a mask. If an event didn't say that, you attend, and a GM asks for masks (super unlikely based on events so far) then you either put on a mask and play happily or say no. If you say no and can't play happily, you get a refund and leave the event. If you say no and they make a big deal of it, you get GC staff involved and the GM is probably gone and you still get a refund. 
You make a lot of assertions and assumptions here, none of which are even remotely accurate.  I purposely went out of my way to be respectful in my post and keep it about the broader issue; I would appreciate it if you would do the same.

Ok, lets tone it down lanigironu, we are getting a little personal.

I'll reiterate that Gen Con does not believe this will be a big issue in practice.

Hovering over the lock the thread button at this point.

I think the essential points have been made.

Mike

 

Posted by watchdog

Mike, thank you for answering my question. 

Posted by mikeboozer

Locking this topic.

We will not be allowing another Events/masking topic to be opened on these forums.

If you have questions you can email [email protected] 

If you're an EO you should email [email protected]

Mike

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