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Posted by lanogironu kevinrg

kevinrg wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
If you call being 16th highest in the US for covid deaths okay.

I know you are using this to suggest some type of failure, but given I believe they are the 17th most populous state, that would be in line.   I'm guessing most of the states are +/- 2 spots from population vs number of deaths. 
 
Not exactly, Indiana is 16th in deaths per 100k residents which factors out total population. California is #1 in total population and like 36th in deaths per 100k for example. 

Posted by lanogironu mikeboozer

mikeboozer wrote:
Would be a shame to have to lock, or worse be banned because you are not able to comply.
I'm not issuing any warnings, if you find yourself unable to post you will know why.
Mike

A segment of people will complain about masks even if there are 1000 covid deaths in Indianapolis the week before GenCon. I have no issues with the health and safety guidelines as they are but please reiterate to whatever GenCon committee is making these decisions to please make a final decision and begin implementation. They could have had an online vaccine card portal to get badges tagged pre-printing and pre-mailing AGES ago which would have made the verification process much easier. 

Making people visit a health booth (which is relatively small from what I remember) to get card checked upon entry and assigning stickers or something is going to major hassle that upsets both those happy to verify vaccine and those complaining.

Posted by brooks lanogironu

lanigironu wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Would be a shame to have to lock, or worse be banned because you are not able to comply.
I'm not issuing any warnings, if you find yourself unable to post you will know why.
Mike

A segment of people will complain about masks even if there are 1000 covid deaths in Indianapolis the week before GenCon. I have no issues with the health and safety guidelines as they are but please reiterate to whatever GenCon committee is making these decisions to please make a final decision and begin implementation. They could have had an online vaccine card portal to get badges tagged pre-printing and pre-mailing AGES ago which would have made the verification process much easier. Making people visit a health booth (which is relatively small from what I remember) to get card checked upon entry and assigning stickers or something is going to major hassle that upsets both those happy to verify vaccine and those complaining.

If a vaccination requirement stands for this year's convention, I find it somewhat hard to believe they will require every attendee to cycle through a small health booth showing their CDC/other country card. It's been stated a number of times they are still working out the logistics. Many other large events have required vaccination status and I'm sure Gen Con will draw on those examples to find best practices. 

Posted by mikeboozer lanogironu

lanigironu wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Would be a shame to have to lock, or worse be banned because you are not able to comply.
I'm not issuing any warnings, if you find yourself unable to post you will know why.
Mike

A segment of people will complain about masks even if there are 1000 covid deaths in Indianapolis the week before GenCon. I have no issues with the health and safety guidelines as they are but please reiterate to whatever GenCon committee is making these decisions to please make a final decision and begin implementation. They could have had an online vaccine card portal to get badges tagged pre-printing and pre-mailing AGES ago which would have made the verification process much easier. Making people visit a health booth (which is relatively small from what I remember) to get card checked upon entry and assigning stickers or something is going to major hassle that upsets both those happy to verify vaccine and those complaining.

Pre-printing badges with a "tag" of some sort has a lot more work to it. It is not possible to have implemented it "ages" ago in any case.

And it is an imperfect solution for many other reasons.

It is not a feasible solution.

The "health booth" mentioned would not be the place we are checking vaccination status at. It is indeed too small and is the Special Services kiosk and does not serve that purpose.

Mike

Posted by sovietprince joho

joho wrote:
Yup- I’ll mask on the plane, I’ll mask in the shuttle, I’ll mask in the hotel common areas and elevators. I’ll have friends to our suite for more games, I’ll avoid indoor dining, and I’ll walk through the halls of Gencon in a mask. I’ll be less likely to end up holed up in my hotel suite with symptoms from a breakthrough. I’ll also try to wear pants, a shirt and shoes indoors where required.

not even indoor dining ? indoor dining in there restraunts for me is part of the exp

Posted by fethbone sovietprince

sovietprince wrote:
joho wrote:
Yup- I’ll mask on the plane, I’ll mask in the shuttle, I’ll mask in the hotel common areas and elevators. I’ll have friends to our suite for more games, I’ll avoid indoor dining, and I’ll walk through the halls of Gencon in a mask. I’ll be less likely to end up holed up in my hotel suite with symptoms from a breakthrough. I’ll also try to wear pants, a shirt and shoes indoors where required.

not even indoor dining ? indoor dining in there restraunts for me is part of the exp
I too love going out during Gencon (I confess I think I did more going out than Gencon-ing during Gencon last year due to discomfort with mask and overall not as fun energy imo), but there is a whole subset of attendees who try to minimize eating out at the con for various reasons even before covid. 

Previously there was a whole thread about cooking and storing food in your hotel room for the duration of Gencon that was quite interesting. 

Posted by squirecam mikeboozer

mikeboozer wrote:
lanigironu wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Would be a shame to have to lock, or worse be banned because you are not able to comply.
I'm not issuing any warnings, if you find yourself unable to post you will know why.
Mike

A segment of people will complain about masks even if there are 1000 covid deaths in Indianapolis the week before GenCon. I have no issues with the health and safety guidelines as they are but please reiterate to whatever GenCon committee is making these decisions to please make a final decision and begin implementation. They could have had an online vaccine card portal to get badges tagged pre-printing and pre-mailing AGES ago which would have made the verification process much easier. Making people visit a health booth (which is relatively small from what I remember) to get card checked upon entry and assigning stickers or something is going to major hassle that upsets both those happy to verify vaccine and those complaining.

Pre-printing badges with a "tag" of some sort has a lot more work to it. It is not possible to have implemented it "ages" ago in any case.And it is an imperfect solution for many other reasons.
It is not a feasible solution.
The "health booth" mentioned would not be the place we are checking vaccination status at. It is indeed too small and is the Special Services kiosk and does not serve that purpose.
Mike
Do we even need to stand in a line for this? I have the clear app that we use in NV and the vaccine proof is already uploaded into the system. It would be really helpful if we could pre-register with an app and not need to wait in any line.

Posted by squirecam fethbone

fethbone wrote:
sovietprince wrote:
joho wrote:
Yup- I’ll mask on the plane, I’ll mask in the shuttle, I’ll mask in the hotel common areas and elevators. I’ll have friends to our suite for more games, I’ll avoid indoor dining, and I’ll walk through the halls of Gencon in a mask. I’ll be less likely to end up holed up in my hotel suite with symptoms from a breakthrough. I’ll also try to wear pants, a shirt and shoes indoors where required.

not even indoor dining ? indoor dining in there restraunts for me is part of the exp
I too love going out during Gencon (I confess I think I did more going out than Gencon-ing during Gencon last year due to discomfort with mask and overall not as fun energy imo), but there is a whole subset of attendees who try to minimize eating out at the con for various reasons even before covid. Previously there was a whole thread about cooking and storing food in your hotel room for the duration of Gencon that was quite interesting. 
I dont mind eating out  wednesday or maybe once Late one night. But I'm not there to eat. I'm there to game as much as possible. Waiting for a table in a long line isnt appealing at all. If it's not a reservation required then I usually skip. 

Posted by lanogironu mikeboozer

mikeboozer wrote:
lanigironu wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Would be a shame to have to lock, or worse be banned because you are not able to comply.
I'm not issuing any warnings, if you find yourself unable to post you will know why.
Mike

A segment of people will complain about masks even if there are 1000 covid deaths in Indianapolis the week before GenCon. I have no issues with the health and safety guidelines as they are but please reiterate to whatever GenCon committee is making these decisions to please make a final decision and begin implementation. They could have had an online vaccine card portal to get badges tagged pre-printing and pre-mailing AGES ago which would have made the verification process much easier. Making people visit a health booth (which is relatively small from what I remember) to get card checked upon entry and assigning stickers or something is going to major hassle that upsets both those happy to verify vaccine and those complaining.

Pre-printing badges with a "tag" of some sort has a lot more work to it. It is not possible to have implemented it "ages" ago in any case.And it is an imperfect solution for many other reasons.
It is not a feasible solution.
The "health booth" mentioned would not be the place we are checking vaccination status at. It is indeed too small and is the Special Services kiosk and does not serve that purpose.
Mike

I believe GenCon has been saying since at least the January 2022 health update that vaccines would be required. Numerous state agencies and other conventions/events have implemented online vaccine card storage and verification so the groundwork has been there for what I consider "ages." Maybe it's due to not much transparency but we're 2 months out and it seems like not much has been decided on the logistics and we're going to end up with a few checkpoints and long lines either at 1st entry or every entry. 
 

Posted by mikeboozer lanogironu

lanigironu wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
lanigironu wrote:
mikeboozer wrote:
Would be a shame to have to lock, or worse be banned because you are not able to comply.
I'm not issuing any warnings, if you find yourself unable to post you will know why.
Mike

A segment of people will complain about masks even if there are 1000 covid deaths in Indianapolis the week before GenCon. I have no issues with the health and safety guidelines as they are but please reiterate to whatever GenCon committee is making these decisions to please make a final decision and begin implementation. They could have had an online vaccine card portal to get badges tagged pre-printing and pre-mailing AGES ago which would have made the verification process much easier. Making people visit a health booth (which is relatively small from what I remember) to get card checked upon entry and assigning stickers or something is going to major hassle that upsets both those happy to verify vaccine and those complaining.

Pre-printing badges with a "tag" of some sort has a lot more work to it. It is not possible to have implemented it "ages" ago in any case.And it is an imperfect solution for many other reasons.
It is not a feasible solution.
The "health booth" mentioned would not be the place we are checking vaccination status at. It is indeed too small and is the Special Services kiosk and does not serve that purpose.
Mike

I believe GenCon has been saying since at least the January 2022 health update that vaccines would be required. Numerous state agencies and other conventions/events have implemented online vaccine card storage and verification so the groundwork has been there for what I consider "ages." Maybe it's due to not much transparency but we're 2 months out and it seems like not much has been decided on the logistics and we're going to end up with a few checkpoints and long lines either at 1st entry or every entry. 
 

Well, you're just going to have to wait until we're ready to announce our plans. 

What has been planned and when it is announced are two different things. Regardless of how it may seem.

Mike

Posted by joho

Badges can be ‘shared’ a bit too easily. I’d imagine it will be something identifiable like a tyvek wrist band, the kind you get at a music festival that is waterproof and affixed by a bouncer to be too tight to slip of your wrist intact. I’d imagine they could have a few dozen outdoor checking areas where the Gencon team members can review proof of vaccination and affix the band. 

then they just need people ‘showing their band’ upon entering the ICC or other Gencon spaces. 

Posted by squirecam joho

joho wrote:
Badges can be ‘shared’ a bit too easily. I’d imagine it will be something identifiable like a tyvek wrist band, the kind you get at a music festival that is waterproof and affixed by a bouncer to be too tight to slip of your wrist intact. I’d imagine they could have a few dozen outdoor checking areas where the Gencon team members can review proof of vaccination and affix the band. 
then they just need people ‘showing their band’ upon entering the ICC or other Gencon spaces. 
That seems like hour long waits every day for a new wristband. Unless people are supposed to wear it 24/7.

Posted by ndgeekboy squirecam

squirecam wrote:
joho wrote:
Badges can be ‘shared’ a bit too easily. I’d imagine it will be something identifiable like a tyvek wrist band, the kind you get at a music festival that is waterproof and affixed by a bouncer to be too tight to slip of your wrist intact. I’d imagine they could have a few dozen outdoor checking areas where the Gencon team members can review proof of vaccination and affix the band. 
then they just need people ‘showing their band’ upon entering the ICC or other Gencon spaces. 
That seems like hour long waits every day for a new wristband. Unless people are supposed to wear it 24/7.

I wonder if it could be incorporated into the e-ticketing system for next year. Y'know, GM's scan the badge for e-tickets; other folks at Gen Con scan the badge for vaccination status.

As for getting around the "sharing" of badges, would getting an attendee's photo included on their badge be cost-prohibitive? Or just plain not viable?

Posted by grognard262

I don't think it is worth the effort of going through extraordinary and inconvenient efforts to try to prevent cheating on vaccination status.  A simple sticker on the badge would suffice.

You can't hermitically seal the convention.  There will be delivery people and ICC employees who are not vaccinated.  There are probably a few million people walking around with fake vaccination cards, some of whom will attend Gen Con and thwart any measures they take,

At some point you need to trust your own vaccination status to protect you.

Posted by sovietprince

how exactly are they going to enforce people to wear a mask outside the vending and gaming rooms? If regular people don't have to follow who to say I not a regular person until i want to go into those rooms?

Posted by mnemosyn

Any masking or vaccine requirement is Lysenkoism.  Gencon has become highly political, and these mandates are just more of the same.  

Posted by qwaserity mnemosyn

mnemosyn wrote:
Any masking or vaccine requirement is Lysenkoism.  Gencon has become highly political, and these mandates are just more of the same.  
Lysenkoism. That's a big word; I know because I had to look it up.

There is one thing to remember during all of the discussions about GenCon, whether it's masking, politics, pricing or even companies that can NEVER get their events in on time (I'm looking at you, Pastime games.).

GenCon first and foremost is a business. They have to take everything into account. They can't make everyone happy no matter what they do. They can get sued over the stupidest things because this is America. Here's my list of what they HAVE to do:

1. Follow the law. Obvious as we all need to do that. 
2. Make money. I'm sorry that this second but without money, there is no GenCon.
3. Take care of the staff. No staff, no GenCon. Equally important with:
4. Take care of the customers. No customers, no GenCon.

While I probably forgot something important (comment away), everything else is an option to make GenCon more enjoyable including safe spaces, quiet rooms, rainbow support, air conditioning, Indianapolis over Chicago... See rules 4, 3 and 2 above in that order.

Continue and enjoy the debate but please have some empathy for GenCon and see these discussions from the business point of view as well as your own. And if need be, you still have plenty of time to shop for a comfortable mask.

Posted by donaldbain mnemosyn

mnemosyn wrote:
Any masking or vaccine requirement is Lysenkoism.  Gencon has become highly political, and these mandates are just more of the same.  
Good to see your word of the day calendar is getting some use.

Posted by donaldbain sovietprince

sovietprince wrote:
how exactly are they going to enforce people to wear a mask outside the vending and gaming rooms? If regular people don't have to follow who to say I not a regular person until i want to go into those rooms?
If you’re showing a badge, you need to be wearing a mask.  You could take it off soon as you’re in the hallway, but any guard seeing that should boot you from the con.

Is there a definite reason the ICC can’t be ‘con only’?  It’s a public space but can exceptions be made?  

Posted by mnemosyn donaldbain

donaldbain wrote:
mnemosyn wrote:
Any masking or vaccine requirement is Lysenkoism.  Gencon has become highly political, and these mandates are just more of the same.  
Good to see your word of the day calendar is getting some use.

Is that condescension fitting with the forum rules?  Why behave that way?

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