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Posted by general lopez xanathon

xanathon wrote:
squirecam wrote:
xanathon wrote:
I'm surprised that nobody has commented on how people will wear masks while inside the convention center, but that is the only place they will be wearing them.
There will be very large crowds at the beer garden and the food trucks.  There will be large crowds for the outdoor concerts and nobody will be wearing masks while walking around downtown Indy, as well as the restaurants since Indianapolis doesn't have a mask policy currently.
At this point I don't care what Gen Con's health update is as I will still attend.  However, I do find it funny that they seem to take this staunch stance on masks and people are so against Gen Con changing their stance on wearing masks, but fail to realize that if they think they will be fully protected at Gen Con from COVID they are fooling themselves.
This is no different from last year. People were not always masked at the food trucks. I plan to do the same thing I did last year. Have a large breakfast and a late dinner when there are no food truck lines. 
You are likely in the vast minority though.  Last year people were crowding the beer garden and food truck area and didn't appear to have any concern about it.  Its almost like people only seem to think that they can get COVID from being inside.

Yeah I rarely saw mask being worn last year once you left the ICC with the exception of the Gencon dedicated spaces in some of the hotels. 

Posted by lehane xanathon

xanathon wrote:
squirecam wrote:
xanathon wrote:
I'm surprised that nobody has commented on how people will wear masks while inside the convention center, but that is the only place they will be wearing them.
There will be very large crowds at the beer garden and the food trucks.  There will be large crowds for the outdoor concerts and nobody will be wearing masks while walking around downtown Indy, as well as the restaurants since Indianapolis doesn't have a mask policy currently.
At this point I don't care what Gen Con's health update is as I will still attend.  However, I do find it funny that they seem to take this staunch stance on masks and people are so against Gen Con changing their stance on wearing masks, but fail to realize that if they think they will be fully protected at Gen Con from COVID they are fooling themselves.
This is no different from last year. People were not always masked at the food trucks. I plan to do the same thing I did last year. Have a large breakfast and a late dinner when there are no food truck lines. 
You are likely in the vast minority though.  Last year people were crowding the beer garden and food truck area and didn't appear to have any concern about it.  Its almost like people only seem to think that they can get COVID from being inside.
Or some people have gotten over the anxiety the pandemic has caused. 

I work on a Cargo Transportation Airline. We never had a shelter at home phase. We started working 6-7 days a week, several hours longer each day. It was also highly unrealistic to expect social distances within a given work group. The airplanes didn't get bigger magically while the containers got heavier unmagically as people shipped stuff in unprecedented numbers. That required going from 2-3 people pulling the containers over a ball mat to 3-4 people. These containers are only 88 inches wide or 96 inches wide so still shoulder to shoulder. Crew transports still were packed as we couldn't feasibly make 3-4 trips between each plane carrying 3 people on a transport designed to move ten people, shoulder to shoulder, back to back. 

Every day was Christmas peak volume numbers. People either got over the anxiety or abandoned the job for something else. Or since this all started at the same time they never suffered the anxiety to begin with. 

(None of this is to say there wasn't measures taken to try and prevent a covid outbreak, but you know airplanes, transports, and facilities didn't magically get bigger for people to space themselves out.)

Posted by kevinrg joho

joho wrote:
=inheritI’m hoping the vaxx & mask mandate stands.

I don't think you have anything to worry about.  I don't think anyone is under the illusion they will change.   I'm sure there are some hoping, but that is just fool's gold.   

I know I have limited desire to wear a mask, but I'll put up with it one more year.  If we are having this long discussion in 2023 (and nothing major has shifted with this), I know I'll be checking out and finding other entertainment avenues.

Posted by donaldbain xanathon

xanathon wrote:You are likely in the vast minority though.  Last year people were crowding the beer garden and food truck area and didn't appear to have any concern about it.  Its almost like people only seem to think that they can get COVID from being inside.
Lack of concern doesn't mean there wasn't a reason to be concerned.  I think most people understand how covid spreads and understand there is a difference between an outdoor setting of hundreds of people and inside a sealed building with thousands of people.  No one thinks they'll be fully protected at Gen Con but taking what precautions that can be taken will help. 

Posted by donaldbain lehane

lehane wrote:(None of this is to say there wasn't measures taken to try and prevent a covid outbreak, but you know airplanes, transports, and facilities didn't magically get bigger for people to space themselves out.)
What steps were taken?  Did they involve masks?

Posted by general lopez kevinrg

kevinrg wrote:
joho wrote:
=inheritI’m hoping the vaxx & mask mandate stands.

I don't think you have anything to worry about.  I don't think anyone is under the illusion they will change.   I'm sure there are some hoping, but that is just fool's gold.   I know I have limited desire to wear a mask, but I'll put up with it one more year.  If we are having this long discussion in 2023 (and nothing major has shifted with this), I know I'll be checking out and finding other entertainment avenues.

Yeah I would be really surprised to see the mask mandate removed, but I truly hope they add at least a testing option to allow the unvaccinated to attend. Why are they going to exclude a group of people from attending when vaccinated as Paizocon showed can spread the virus. I would bet there are a good amount of kids that fall into that bracket that wont be able to go, since they are the least vaccinated group, messing up their families vacation. Not to mention the FDA could be authorizing under 5 here shortly so that would require those kids to also be vaccinated.      

Posted by lehane donaldbain

donaldbain wrote:
lehane wrote:(None of this is to say there wasn't measures taken to try and prevent a covid outbreak, but you know airplanes, transports, and facilities didn't magically get bigger for people to space themselves out.)
What steps were taken?  Did they involve masks?
Masks were worn but most of the time it was like thin stretch cloth not something serious. A lot of the work is outdoors and in the summer heat nobody was wearing something too stuffy. If a person thought they were close to heat exhaustion the mask went off and well welcome to a heck of a choice: Let the mask go or risk them passing out. 

Work groups stayed together but separate from other work groups. It wasn't uncommon to come in and hear "team X was out on covid leave for two weeks, figure out how to get by without them". One positive test on a team took out the entire team as a precaution. 

You were limited to the floor you were working on if inside a building aside from bathroom and food runs. (Some of these "floors" are just catwalks.)

Thermal "scanners" set up in the security screening areas to check temperatures. Mostly seemed to be a camera. 

The cafeteria changed from the designed eating area to basically a "walk thru" version of a drive thru. 

The water fountains were turned off and bottle water was staged all over the place. Wasn't cold except in a couple of outdoor fridges. They started about 3 food trucks to alleviate traffic in the cafeteria. 

People went through the transport parking lot with a tank cart spraying something from hoses that was supposed to disinfect the transports but it was just hose work, not being wiped down. 

A good bit of this has stopped. Mostly the food trucks and bottled water at this point. Positive covid test just affects the one person tested not an entire team. 

Posted by kevinrg general lopez

general lopez wrote:
=inheritYeah I would be really surprised to see the mask mandate removed, but I truly hope they add at least a testing option to allow the unvaccinated to attend. 

I'd like to see that.  If they were good enough for Gencon last year they should be good enough for Gencon this year.  Guess it all depends on how much Gencon feels they need an attendance boost.  Although, most people I know that fall into this category have moved on with other commitments in 2022.

Posted by wells

I just returned to the USA from a week in London during the Platinum Jubilee. Tens of thousands of people lining the streets for parades, concerts, theater, restaurants, crowded subways and two plane flights. No mask mandates anywhere. The only place I could find in London that required a mask was the medical clinic/doctor's office. And yet, despite all that, their civilization has not collapsed. People mask up if they want to. COVID still exists, but it will be around forever. They have done what they thought was necessary and now they are moving on. It seems the US is still in a different mind set, panic and fear.

Posted by dpuck1998 wells

wells wrote:
I just returned to the USA from a week in London during the Platinum Jubilee. Tens of thousands of people lining the streets for parades, concerts, theater, restaurants, crowded subways and two plane flights. No mask mandates anywhere. The only place I could find in London that required a mask was the medical clinic/doctor's office. And yet, despite all that, their civilization has not collapsed. People mask up if they want to. COVID still exists, but it will be around forever. They have done what they thought was necessary and now they are moving on. It seems the US is still in a different mind set, panic and fear.

The US is not in a different midset, just certain organizations are holding onto those mindsets.  I haven't worn a mask at work (public school) or anywhere other than a Drs. office in many months.

 

Posted by grognard262 wells

wells wrote:
It seems the US is still in a different mind set, panic and fear.

Not the entire US.  I've been attending numerous large, packed, multi-hour events (sports, concerts, etc.) for months and masks are quite rare.  For some reason the gaming community is fixated on them, despite the fact that most of us are fully vaccinated.

Posted by fethbone lehane

lehane wrote:
I have mentioned it more than once. Usually in regards to Indianapolis not having a mask mandate during Gencon by all appearances.I wouldn't surprised if there are some testy encounters on the sidewalks or the skywalks as people don't put the masks on until they hit ICC or Lucas Oil. 
Then there are the masks with anti-mask slogans on them...
I predicted this last year, and there were no incidents related to confrontations regarding masking- at least, none big enough to make any kind of Gencon news. Though to be fair I am not on facebook or discord, so I don't hear many personal anecdotes. I did not wear a mask in the hotel or walkways (certainly not outside on the sidewalks) until I was going through the door to the ICC or into a badge-required hotel area and nobody ever said anything. 
Maybe got a "look" once or twice in the hotels but I stayed in compliance with hotel, local, and Gencon rules the entire time, so haters gonna hate. 

I just hope they make good on their statement that the official, final, announcement will be made this week. 

Posted by kevinrg

I noticed no confrontations nor even any comments last year.  I think the extremes on both sides sat it out last year and those there didn't care either way and were just there to enjoy Gencon.

I've said it earlier, if you aren't accepting of the fact that outside the ICC bubble there will be limited masks and people will be ripping them off a step outside the door, then you should sit it out.
 

Posted by cinnibar

There was one incident that circulated to me that a GM took a vote for the table.  Staff jumped on that.  Don't know the resolution but given the EO/GM guide, I can see why.

Posted by squirecam kevinrg

kevinrg wrote:
I noticed no confrontations nor even any comments last year.  I think the extremes on both sides sat it out last year and those there didn't care either way and were just there to enjoy Gencon.
I've said it earlier, if you aren't accepting of the fact that outside the ICC bubble there will be limited masks and people will be ripping them off a step outside the door, then you should sit it out.
 
I agree with that. I also say that people should wear the mask properly and not need to be told to keep it on. Although the vast majority complied there were about 15% of the people at our tables who needed several reminders. That shouldn't be required. Whatever the rules are, your attendance means you agree to follow them 

Posted by squirecam cinnibar

cinnibar wrote:
There was one incident that circulated to me that a GM took a vote for the table.  Staff jumped on that.  Don't know the resolution but given the EO/GM guide, I can see why.
Yeah I agree that's wrong. You dont make your own safety rules.

Posted by dpuck1998

I can confirm that GM's were indeed unmasking last year. Especially those in the hotel conference rooms.

Posted by donaldbain

I can dispute this.

Posted by lehane fethbone

fethbone wrote:
lehane wrote:
I have mentioned it more than once. Usually in regards to Indianapolis not having a mask mandate during Gencon by all appearances.I wouldn't surprised if there are some testy encounters on the sidewalks or the skywalks as people don't put the masks on until they hit ICC or Lucas Oil. 
Then there are the masks with anti-mask slogans on them...
I predicted this last year, and there were no incidents related to confrontations regarding masking- at least, none big enough to make any kind of Gencon news. Though to be fair I am not on facebook or discord, so I don't hear many personal anecdotes. I did not wear a mask in the hotel or walkways (certainly not outside on the sidewalks) until I was going through the door to the ICC or into a badge-required hotel area and nobody ever said anything. 
Maybe got a "look" once or twice in the hotels but I stayed in compliance with hotel, local, and Gencon rules the entire time, so haters gonna hate. I just hope they make good on their statement that the official, final, announcement will be made this week. 
That is good to know. I had to miss Gencon last year cause the new dates conflicted with a Friend's wedding. 

Posted by mikeboozer donaldbain

donaldbain wrote:
I can dispute this.

And I can say enough is enough on this back and forth about it.

As one of the main people in charge of compliance and having roamed far and wide at the convention last year I can definitively say that compliance was very high. So much so that I probably only had to remind 3 or 4 people to slip their mask back up on their face.

I had zero issues with people objecting to the compliance and no incidents that would be taken further.

Mike

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