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Posted by lanogironu xanathon
#776

xanathon wrote:You are likely in the vast minority though.  Last year people were crowding the beer garden and food truck area and didn't appear to have any concern about it.  Its almost like people only seem to think that they can get COVID from being inside.

It seems a great deal of people are absolutists and don't seem to care about scope or percentages. Air particles and water droplets from speech behave much differently in open air than they do in a contained room; and I think due to the rules not allowing "debating science" I'm not even allowed to post any of the studies and particle modeling research showing how much open air and active ventilation help. The ICC has decent air flow, but at ground level I wouldn't call it well ventilated. 

It's funny that GenCon has so many attendees that will min/max a character or play a game to the highest possible percent outcome with delight but when it comes to proper masks and safety basically go "Welp, vaccines and good mask don't 100% protect me so they're useless and shouldn't be worried about."

Posted by dpuck1998 donaldbain
#777

donaldbain wrote:
I can dispute this.

LOL

Posted by xanathon lanogironu
#778

lanigironu wrote:
xanathon wrote:You are likely in the vast minority though.  Last year people were crowding the beer garden and food truck area and didn't appear to have any concern about it.  Its almost like people only seem to think that they can get COVID from being inside.

It seems a great deal of people are absolutists and don't seem to care about scope or percentages. Air particles and water droplets from speech behave much differently in open air than they do in a contained room; and I think due to the rules not allowing "debating science" I'm not even allowed to post any of the studies and particle modeling research showing how much open air and active ventilation help. The ICC has decent air flow, but at ground level I wouldn't call it well ventilated. It's funny that GenCon has so many attendees that will min/max a character or play a game to the highest possible percent outcome with delight but when it comes to proper masks and safety basically go "Welp, vaccines and good mask don't 100% protect me so they're useless and shouldn't be worried about."
My point in bringing up the lack of masks everywhere else but the convention center is just to show how ridiculous things have become.  People are so afraid of not having a mask mandate while inside that they overlook that standing next to a bunch of people, even if it is outside, or not wearing a mask while in a restaurant or a hotel, is laughable.

I won't argue the science as you said.  I'm just pointing out what to me is the obvious discussion that people should be having regarding masks in general.  If they are only going to be worn in the convention center and nowhere else how much protection do people actually think they are getting?

Posted by kevinrg
#779

Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change when 1st announced earlier in the year.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.

Posted by cinnibar
#780

The following is sarcasm.

I'll keep my shirt on, thank you, even though the sun is only more dangerous outside than in the ICC, though I suppose most want to strip down on entering the building.  Protective garments are protective garments, I'm so silly. :)  

The above is sarcasm.

Posted by cinnibar kevinrg
#781

kevinrg wrote:
Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.

Woot!  We made it to the final update!

Posted by kevinrg cinnibar
#782

cinnibar wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.

Woot!  We made it to the final update!

Huzzah.

Is there a "I survived the New Health Update forum posting" t-shirt I get or something?

If I didn't feel like angering the forum Gods, I'd post a 2023 Health Update thread now...

Posted by xanathon kevinrg
#783

kevinrg wrote:
Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change when 1st announced earlier in the year.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.
where is this posted?  I figured I would see something posted here. 

Posted by kevinrg xanathon
#784

xanathon wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change when 1st announced earlier in the year.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.
where is this posted?  I figured I would see something posted here. 

Attendee Info / Health and Safety.

Says updated June 8th and 'These are the final...'

Posted by xanathon kevinrg
#785

kevinrg wrote:
xanathon wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change when 1st announced earlier in the year.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.
where is this posted?  I figured I would see something posted here. 

Attendee Info / Health and Safety.Says updated June 8th and 'These are the final...'
found it thanks. 

no big surprise by this. 

Posted by brooks xanathon
#786

xanathon wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
xanathon wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change when 1st announced earlier in the year.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.
where is this posted?  I figured I would see something posted here. 

Attendee Info / Health and Safety.Says updated June 8th and 'These are the final...'
found it thanks. no big surprise by this. 

Not surprised either, but... wow I cannot believe how risk-adverse the gaming community has become. 

Posted by wells
#787

What are the hours on Wednesday for the Vaccination check stations?

Posted by samlamiam wells
#788

wells wrote:
What are the hours on Wednesday for the Vaccination check stations?

Came here to ask the same question!  

Posted by brumcg
#789

Everyone who has posted in this thread and is attending Gen Con owes Mike a beverage of his choice.  Thanks, Mike!

Posted by xanathon brooks
#790

brooks wrote:
xanathon wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
xanathon wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change when 1st announced earlier in the year.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.
where is this posted?  I figured I would see something posted here. 

Attendee Info / Health and Safety.Says updated June 8th and 'These are the final...'
found it thanks. no big surprise by this. 

Not surprised either, but... wow I cannot believe how risk-adverse the gaming community has become. 
I’m not surprised by how risk adverse the gaming community has become. I’ve attended Gen Con for over 20 years now. There are a lot of people who were the most at risk for getting COVID whether it’s from pre-existing health issues, asthma, obesity, etc. 

Gamers are not usually the most healthy community of people. 

Posted by bigfathairyguy
#791

So there was a change with this latest update. Before it was mask and vaccination card. Now it requires government Id? Is this a mistake? So kids without a government issued ID can’t attend? If so are you offering full cash refunds since the requirement changed?

Posted by malfakter
#792

Well that cements it.  Sad to see the vaccine requirement is sticking around.  Perhaps next year will be different.

Best of luck to you all.  I hope you have a safe, wonderful time at the con.  See you next year, hopefully.

Posted by brooks xanathon
#793

xanathon wrote:
brooks wrote:
xanathon wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
xanathon wrote:
kevinrg wrote:
Final health guidelines are updated.  Vax/masks as expected.   There was zero expectation (for me) that this would ever change when 1st announced earlier in the year.   I'd be curious if they ever wavered or just did the act like they were considering.
where is this posted?  I figured I would see something posted here. 

Attendee Info / Health and Safety.Says updated June 8th and 'These are the final...'
found it thanks. no big surprise by this. 

Not surprised either, but... wow I cannot believe how risk-adverse the gaming community has become. 
I’m not surprised by how risk adverse the gaming community has become. I’ve attended Gen Con for over 20 years now. There are a lot of people who were the most at risk for getting COVID whether it’s from pre-existing health issues, asthma, obesity, etc. Gamers are not usually the most healthy community of people. 

True but have you seen college football fans :)

Yes, I know games are ostensibly outdoors, but a similar demographic packed into tiny little seats next to each other for a few hours screaming at the top of their lungs. Or how about the Colts fans last year during the convention... indoor stadium, similar demographic, packed into tiny little seats next to each other for a few hours screaming. 

Masks and vaccines are a done deal for this year and I will begrudgingly accept that. However I still wonder, given the endemic state of COVID, if next year is going to be demonstrably different than this year. I keep hearing that if you don't want to wear a mask don't attend Gen Con. I would argue the opposite is equally valid... if you are that worried about COVID Gen Con might not be the best place for you to spend a few days. 

Posted by cinnibar
#794

Post offices provide official photo id services.  

Posted by squirecam wells
#795

wells wrote:
What are the hours on Wednesday for the Vaccination check stations?
Hopefully open early and late. And more than a few. I pay for badge shipping because I cant stand in long lines.

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