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Posted by hahnarama
#501

I'm gonna post this even though I know it will be deleted soon :)

The NHL is starting  back in July with no fans present.  If 19,000-20,000 hockey fans wont be allowed to sit shoulder to shoulder why should anyone think it's SAFE for 60,000 nerds packed like sardines in the isles, or sharing dice, tokens, meeples, and minis be safe? 

Posted by xanathon hahnarama
#502

hahnarama wrote:
I'm gonna post this even though I know it will be deleted soon :)
The NHL is starting  back in July with no fans present.  If 19,000-20,000 hockey fans wont be allowed to sit shoulder to shoulder why should anyone think it's SAFE for 60,000 nerds packed like sardines in the isles, or sharing dice, tokens, meeples, and minis be safe? 
Because that is a tentative plan.  It is all subject to change.  While I don’t agree with it the one thing we have to consider is that economic issues will most likely play into this more than the health issues, especially with who we have as President.  If he gets his way everything will be opened back up like nothing is going onl.

Posted by roganca hahnarama
#503

hahnarama wrote:
I'm gonna post this even though I know it will be deleted soon :)
The NHL is starting  back in July with no fans present.  If 19,000-20,000 hockey fans wont be allowed to sit shoulder to shoulder why should anyone think it's SAFE for 60,000 nerds packed like sardines in the isles, or sharing dice, tokens, meeples, and minis be safe? 

Let me fix this for you: "The NHL's current plan is to start in July with no fans present."

Posted by jcirillo1971 xanathon
#504

xanathon wrote:
wentwj wrote:
xanathon wrote:
All the reports I have read is that because of the stay at home orders most states are peaking in late April to early May which tells me by the end of July this will likely be done and over with.
 
Unfortunately that’s not really how this works. It’s not a storm that once the worst is over we can come out and resume life as it was on day 0. The raise and fall of infections is due to societal behavior (or herd immunity). If we are on the decline, but just go back to life exactly as it was, we start all over but from a higher starting point.I assume the delay in cancelling is so they can be ordered to cancel and likely get an insurance pay out. But holding a large convention immediately after (or during) a global pandemic is probably the most irresponsible thing someone could do.
The short of it is, for me, if Gencon, or any large convention, goes on as normal mere weeks after total lock down over a pandemic, I’d have to think long and hard about ever supporting that organization again.
First is the rise, not raise.Gen Con is three months away from today.  If we are on the decline then it is possible that by Gen Con the number of cases is either very low or non existent to cause any concern.  Now I am not a doctor, infectious disease expert, or have any other knowledge than the rest of us.  I just choose to be optimistic rather than dwell in the negative.
Regardless, a decision needs to be made soon.  A lot of people book flights for GenCon and I don't want to sit and watch flight prices go up the closer we get to the convention date.

Posted by roganca jcirillo1971
#505

jcirillo1971 wrote:
xanathon wrote:
wentwj wrote:
xanathon wrote:
All the reports I have read is that because of the stay at home orders most states are peaking in late April to early May which tells me by the end of July this will likely be done and over with.
 
Unfortunately that’s not really how this works. It’s not a storm that once the worst is over we can come out and resume life as it was on day 0. The raise and fall of infections is due to societal behavior (or herd immunity). If we are on the decline, but just go back to life exactly as it was, we start all over but from a higher starting point.I assume the delay in cancelling is so they can be ordered to cancel and likely get an insurance pay out. But holding a large convention immediately after (or during) a global pandemic is probably the most irresponsible thing someone could do.
The short of it is, for me, if Gencon, or any large convention, goes on as normal mere weeks after total lock down over a pandemic, I’d have to think long and hard about ever supporting that organization again.
First is the rise, not raise.Gen Con is three months away from today.  If we are on the decline then it is possible that by Gen Con the number of cases is either very low or non existent to cause any concern.  Now I am not a doctor, infectious disease expert, or have any other knowledge than the rest of us.  I just choose to be optimistic rather than dwell in the negative.
Regardless, a decision needs to be made soon.  A lot of people book flights for GenCon and I don't want to sit and watch flight prices go up the closer we get to the convention date.
You see the difference, though?

Posted by xanathon
#506

If I had to guess Gen Con staff will wait as long as they can before making a decision.  I don’t know what data they will use to make the decision other than what the CDC and Indiana State Government states since the information coming out of the media is less than reliable.

I love the numbers they have provided about the numbers of people that have corona virus, but don’t show symptoms.  If people are not showing symptoms they would have no reason to get tested or see a doctor.  They seem to be pulling numbers out of their arses on that one.

Posted by mikeboozer
#507

Herd immunity discussion has ended. You had your say(s).

Take your discussion to the social media outlet of your choice.

Mike

Posted by sovietprince
#508

Not sure what the problem is since it was on topic, overmoding leads to less ppl engaging 

Posted by dballing sovietprince
#509

sovietprince wrote:
Not sure what the problem is since it was on topic, overmoding leads to less ppl engaging 

The point I think you're missing, if I read between the lines, is that Gen Con doesn't particularly care if y'all engage on this topic in this forum. There's no current news to give. The discussion here isn't going to change the calculus of the decision.

This thread exists solely to let people have a place to let off steam and keep it out of all the other threads. For stuff that isn't directly related to Gen Con, the already low care about engagement on the topic drops to a negative number where they don't want it at all. Hence the mods directing you to your social-network of choice. :-)

Posted by sovietprince
#510

I still see no harm in having a intelligence discussion but oh well

Posted by chriscarter xanathon
#511

xanathon wrote:
If I had to guess Gen Con staff will wait as long as they can before making a decision.  I don’t know what data they will use to make the decision other than what the CDC and Indiana State Government states since the information coming out of the media is less than reliable.
I love the numbers they have provided about the numbers of people that have corona virus, but don’t show symptoms.  If people are not showing symptoms they would have no reason to get tested or see a doctor.  They seem to be pulling numbers out of their arses on that one.

I agree that it's a decision that GenCon want to wait as long as possible to make. However given things like Oktoberfest (at the end of September) has just been cancelled I think there will be additional pressure to make the decision soon - and definitely before people start booking onto the events thus spending more money.

Posted by therealeljeffe
#512

Hey, just a questions that I cant seem to find the answer to, when Origins was hanging in the balance they made a commitment to make a call by May 1st (obviously they went earlier), has Gencon made a similar announcement?

Or is there no hard deadline to give the green/red light to the event?

Posted by dballing therealeljeffe
#513

therealeljeffe wrote:
Hey, just a questions that I cant seem to find the answer to, when Origins was hanging in the balance they made a commitment to make a call by May 1st (obviously they went earlier), has Gencon made a similar announcement?
Or is there no hard deadline to give the green/red light to the event?

I don't think they have (that I've seen anyway) given a hard deadline.

Posted by traveller
#514

For those that are wondering, Origins was using a date about 6 weeks out from the start of their convention.  Using that information it would be mid-June before Gencon would make a go/no go announcement.  That is still another 6 weeks from now.  In between now and then states stay at home orders are tentatively expected to expire.  There will be enough time between those expire orders and and a decision to allow scientists to see if we have a bounce back of cases or they continue to decline.

Right now I'm still making my plans as if it is going to happen (adding to it are preparing things i'll need to keep myself safe).  If its cancelled, I'll still need those things to protect myself.  Airlines are not charging to rebook or refund so there isn't too great a risk there.  

Until states (as the federal government has taken a hands off approach) issue guidelines on events Gencon really has to take a wait and see approach.  

Posted by imdocjoe
#515

There's optimism and then there's fantasy. GenCon will be cancelled this year. Just a matter of when they announce it. 

Posted by hahnarama imdocjoe
#516

imdocjoe wrote:
There's optimism and then there's fantasy. GenCon will be cancelled this year. Just a matter of when they announce it. 
Day after the refund date???

Posted by demadog
#517

To have 10s of thousands of people travel from across the world, spend 4-5 days at a convention with little or no chance of social distancing, and then AND THEN go back home is utter lunacy.  The only thing that would mitigate that now is to have a safe and effective treatment or vaccine tested and in place beforehand, and I see no chance of that happening this year.

I urge the powers that be with Gen Con to cancel the event this year and save everyone the decision.

If they do not, I plead to those who are considering attending not to do so.

Posted by officerdg hahnarama
#518

hahnarama wrote:
imdocjoe wrote:
There's optimism and then there's fantasy. GenCon will be cancelled this year. Just a matter of when they announce it. 
Day after the refund date???
06/14/2020 at exactly 12:00PM.  LOL  It's a joke people just a joke before you try to rip my head off!

Posted by therealeljeffe dballing
#519

dballing wrote:
therealeljeffe wrote:
Hey, just a questions that I cant seem to find the answer to, when Origins was hanging in the balance they made a commitment to make a call by May 1st (obviously they went earlier), has Gencon made a similar announcement?
Or is there no hard deadline to give the green/red light to the event?

I don't think they have (that I've seen anyway) given a hard deadline.
Thanks, well we'll just wait and see what happens. I suspect we'll get an answer before event registration kicks off. Stay safe gang.

Posted by lore seeker therealeljeffe
#520

therealeljeffe wrote:
dballing wrote:
therealeljeffe wrote:
Hey, just a questions that I cant seem to find the answer to, when Origins was hanging in the balance they made a commitment to make a call by May 1st (obviously they went earlier), has Gencon made a similar announcement?
Or is there no hard deadline to give the green/red light to the event?

I don't think they have (that I've seen anyway) given a hard deadline.
Thanks, well we'll just wait and see what happens. I suspect we'll get an answer before event registration kicks off. Stay safe gang.

I think so. Continuing the Origins comparison, they made their call a couple weeks before event registration; I imagine Gen Con would do the same.

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