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Posted by del_grande rfsullivan
#551

rfsullivan wrote:As far as the logistics of making something like the dealer hall happen, a page could be taken out of the playbook of the grocery stores in this area and making the aisles one-way. Instead of trying to manage traffic in both directions, each aisle could have an "express lane" in the center for people just travelling through, and a smaller aisle off to each side for people who want to linger at a booth to see what's going on.

The problem might be, has all of the vendor space been allocated yet? In order to have an "express lane", the aisles have to be at least twice as wide as they are now. You can get some space back by removing the "left-right" aisles - almost certainly, except for the top and bottom, you would have to do this, as otherwise you are defeating the purpose of social distancing by having people cross directly in front of each other - but this might not be enough for everyone.

Also, GenCon needs to make it quite clear - no limited exclusives that might result in long lines forming. You still need to keep six feet (or "two shopping carts," as the grocery stores do it) of distance, and the resulting lines would take up quite a bit of aisle space.

And I haven't even thought about the Auction Store yet.

Posted by cmegus
#552

Ok, as long as we get to make a stand here with our posts, I will be attending for sure.

Not to counter anyone’s point, but with 3 months to go, I am very optimistic about this situation down the line and the upcoming SUMMER.

I won the lottery basically as one of the first to get an attached downtown and will need to be forced out. I am actually coming even if Gen Con is not running come to think of it,

Guess we will really know the extent of what even might be available with the release of events very soon...

G
 

Posted by roderick bsus323
#553

bsus323 wrote
Mike,I read the initial Gencon statement on Page 1 and the one on Page 14 of this thread but I'm confused. Out of curiosity, why exactly was this post something that will not be tolerated?
It did not seem offensive or antagonistic. It was mostly math and speculation. 
Just so I (or other people) don't inadvertently post something not allowed.
Thanks. 

While I don't like to speak for my boss, Mike  said, in  message #509 (page 21), that: "Herd immunity discussion has ended. You had your say(s)." Since hahnarama's post was precisely about Herd Immunity, he is now on "parole". 

And if Mike says something contrary to this, his words take precedence over mine. 

Roderick Robertson
Forum Coordinator 
Gen Con, LLC.  

 

 

Posted by mikeboozer roderick
#554

roderick wrote:
bsus323 wrote
Mike,I read the initial Gencon statement on Page 1 and the one on Page 14 of this thread but I'm confused. Out of curiosity, why exactly was this post something that will not be tolerated?
It did not seem offensive or antagonistic. It was mostly math and speculation. 
Just so I (or other people) don't inadvertently post something not allowed.
Thanks. 

While I don't like to speak for my boss, Mike  said, in  message #509 (page 21), that: "Herd immunity discussion has ended. You had your say(s)." Since hahnarama's post was precisely about Herd Immunity, he is now on "parole". And if Mike says something contrary to this, his words take precedence over mine. 
Roderick Robertson
Forum Coordinator 
Gen Con, LLC.  
 

I'm really can't see how it's not clear. We will not going down the path of posters going back and forth on a subject and watch it devolve into bickering, that would usually lock a subject. I'm trying to keep this one open. My only recourse is to be quicker on the draw with these and delete them and or ban the poster since they seem unable or unwilling to comply. This has been made clear on multiple occasions in this thread. We have also made it clear that we will take whatever measures we may need to make sure you are safe, as we have previously said on multiple occasions as well.

Mike Boozer
Customer Service & Event Team Manager
Gen Con LLC

Posted by mikeboozer
#555

Please read my post that started this thread. I have updated it as clear as possible for everyone and Russell Wilson fans like myself.

Posted by mjlaba48
#556

I am planning to come with my 40 year old son. I will have just turned 72, in good shape, work out regular and have no underlying conditions. I will wear my mask, gloves, and keep my distance. 
we are both very excited to attend. It’s 3 months away..plenty of time to put in proper precautions. If every is required to wear a mask and gloves it should  greatly Be difficult to spread the virus .

Posted by vexrm
#557

I see talk about everyone wearing masks and gloves. I haven't seen gencon say it's required or even that they will recommend it. I am curious if gencon is planning any preventive changes? I know the answer is most likely "We will post something when we have something ready".  However, at this point there seems to be a bunch of guessing with no real idea if anything is being planned to be changed.
 

Posted by lore seeker vexrm
#558

vexrm wrote:
I see talk about everyone wearing masks and gloves. I haven't seen gencon say it's required or even that they will recommend it. I am curious if gencon is planning any preventive changes? I know the answer is most likely "We will post something when we have something ready".  However, at this point there seems to be a bunch of guessing with no real idea if anything is being planned to be changed.
 

I can't speak for the Gen Con staff, but I'd be very surprised if masks weren't required. Gloves aren't all that great for protecting oneself from the virus; I'd wager that lots of hand sanitizer stations are more likely.

Again, those are just my guesses.

Posted by donaldbain
#559

Marketing opportunity: free masks with lanyard, with the hot game printed across the mask. 

Posted by grtbrt
#560

I am somewhat mystified by many of the posts here .
They have stated -directly ,not beating around the bush at all - that they will make a statement when  appropriate .
Not too difficult .
I understand the want/need to post ,However all of the above postings have added nothing but conjecture .
Just wait until something definite is stated by Gen Con . 
Beyond your personal involvement (attending , running an event ,etc..) it is out of your control .

If they are like any other small company -they have a couple of staff members whose job now is to diagram out all the possibilities . So I am sure they have thought of everything anyone brings up .
In addition I am sure the ICVA is in constant contact with them (and all other events that may be impacted ) .

Ok -That was my soapbox speech . you can return to your postings .
 

Posted by ckalinwi grtbrt
#561

grtbrt wrote:
I am somewhat mystified by many of the posts here .
They have stated -directly ,not beating around the bush at all - that they will make a statement when  appropriate .
Not too difficult .
I understand the want/need to post ,However all of the above postings have added nothing but conjecture .
Just wait until something definite is stated by Gen Con . 
Beyond your personal involvement (attending , running an event ,etc..) it is out of your control .
If they are like any other small company -they have a couple of staff members whose job now is to diagram out all the possibilities . So I am sure they have thought of everything anyone brings up .
In addition I am sure the ICVA is in constant contact with them (and all other events that may be impacted ) .
Ok -That was my soapbox speech . you can return to your postings .
 
Fair enough, but we're under three weeks from event registration.  The window is also starting to close on the more affordable flight and hotel reservations, not to mention time off requests from jobs (those of us that have them).  Vendors have advance product orders they'd be making soon for delivery by Con time (putting aside supply problems happening right now).  At some point  - maybe not now, but soon - the con should probably take it upon themselves to figure this out on their own.  We can't sit around until June 15th or July 1st for a state or federal authority to go "ok, everything's cool!" and then we're all scrambling in under six or three weeks to have a normal con.  Plus if the vendor hall is significantly diminished and there are far fewer games to play because of reduced attendance, can/will they charge the same prices for a badge?
 

Posted by cloak72 ckalinwi
#562

ckalinwi wrote:
grtbrt wrote:
I am somewhat mystified by many of the posts here .
They have stated -directly ,not beating around the bush at all - that they will make a statement when  appropriate .
Not too difficult .
I understand the want/need to post ,However all of the above postings have added nothing but conjecture .
Just wait until something definite is stated by Gen Con . 
Beyond your personal involvement (attending , running an event ,etc..) it is out of your control .
If they are like any other small company -they have a couple of staff members whose job now is to diagram out all the possibilities . So I am sure they have thought of everything anyone brings up .
In addition I am sure the ICVA is in constant contact with them (and all other events that may be impacted ) .
Ok -That was my soapbox speech . you can return to your postings .
Fair enough, but we're under three weeks from event registration.  The window is also starting to close on the more affordable flight and hotel reservations, not to mention time off requests from jobs (those of us that have them).  Vendors have advance product orders they'd be making soon for delivery by Con time (putting aside supply problems happening right now).  At some point  - maybe not now, but soon - the con should probably take it upon themselves to figure this out on their own.  We can't sit around until June 15th or July 1st for a state or federal authority to go "ok, everything's cool!" and then we're all scrambling in under six or three weeks to have a normal con.  Plus if the vendor hall is significantly diminished and there are far fewer games to play because of reduced attendance, can/will they charge the same prices for a badge?
 
The last one is easy.   Yes, yes they could.   The badge is just to give you access to the Con in general.   Anything else is al a carte.   

Now...   That doesn't mean that they WOULD.   They MIGHT (pure unfounded speculation) opt to lower the price of the badges to encourage people to return...   Or, they might not...

Posted by forar donaldbain
#563

donaldbain wrote:
Marketing opportunity: free masks with lanyard, with the hot game printed across the mask. 

Honestly, based on my experience and watching articles from front line staff in Hospitals, I suspect that by the time people get to Gencon (if it happens this year), having masks bought or home made will be very common. Much less common (and thus, more useful) would be (IMO) ear guards. The little flexible thing that you can hook mask elastics onto rather than your ears.

A friend of mine is sewing masks in accordance with CDC guidelines, and I've worn them for several hours at a time while picking up groceries in the last few months. It's not bad in the short term, but when you hit a good 2-3 hours period, it can start getting uncomfortable. Even nurses and doctors who might wear them for extended periods of full shifts regularly are complaining.

This may seem like a small issue, but that discomfort would naturally lead to people messing with them (potentially raising the risk of contamination) or taking them off (obviously not ideal). Presumably some portion of attendees would do this anyways, but the more comfort people have with the things, the better off everyone would be.

Speaking as someone who is fortunate enough to volunteer at a booth, the idea of spending possibly 8+ hours with the thing on is less than appealing. If Gencon happens and I'm able to attend from outside of the US (as I live in the frozen wastes to the north), I'll definitely be looking into getting some 3D printed by friends who are currently churning them out in fairly absurd quantities.

TLDR: a mask might be helpful, but I think a behind the head earguard would actually be a really good idea.

Posted by donaldbain forar
#564

forar wrote:Much less common (and thus, more useful) would be (IMO) ear guards. The little flexible thing that you can hook mask elastics onto rather than your ears.
Saw a picture of someone using a monkey from 'A Barrel of Monkeys' to hold the ear loops. 

Posted by andrewj.rager
#565

Just checking in with all of you, hoping you are all safe and healthy. Thank you to Mike and Roderick. You guys are doing an awesome job at managing an almost impossible task. 

We normally attend Gen Con right after my wife's birthday in late July. Can't say I wouldn't enjoy celebrating my birthday at Gen Con in mid October. lol

I know I am in the vast vast minority but I'd love a fall/winter convention vs potential summer heat. 

Give me a table out in the beer garden with cool fall breeze and a board game? I'd be a happy camper. :)

Anywho, everyone continue to stay safe and well. 

Posted by kd8esu ckalinwi
#566

ckalinwi wrote:
grtbrt wrote:
I am somewhat mystified by many of the posts here .
They have stated -directly ,not beating around the bush at all - that they will make a statement when  appropriate .
Not too difficult .
I understand the want/need to post ,However all of the above postings have added nothing but conjecture .
Just wait until something definite is stated by Gen Con . 
Beyond your personal involvement (attending , running an event ,etc..) it is out of your control .
If they are like any other small company -they have a couple of staff members whose job now is to diagram out all the possibilities . So I am sure they have thought of everything anyone brings up .
In addition I am sure the ICVA is in constant contact with them (and all other events that may be impacted ) .
Ok -That was my soapbox speech . you can return to your postings .
Fair enough, but we're under three weeks from event registration.  The window is also starting to close on the more affordable flight and hotel reservations, not to mention time off requests from jobs (those of us that have them).  Vendors have advance product orders they'd be making soon for delivery by Con time (putting aside supply problems happening right now).  At some point  - maybe not now, but soon - the con should probably take it upon themselves to figure this out on their own.  We can't sit around until June 15th or July 1st for a state or federal authority to go "ok, everything's cool!" and then we're all scrambling in under six or three weeks to have a normal con.  Plus if the vendor hall is significantly diminished and there are far fewer games to play because of reduced attendance, can/will they charge the same prices for a badge?
 
As brought up SEVERAL TIMES before, they really can't cancel the event without Force Majeure kicking in; that is, unless you (as in the person behind the @ckalinwi screen) yourself are willing to pay the ENTIRE FEE for them to cancel early.  It's really not a call they can make by themselves without putting the entire Gen Con LLC in real danger of going under.  Several people have made the long, legal and financial case as to why Gen Con must act as if it's happening, even having a public face that this will happen; I am going with them because I understand and want to support my Summer Vacation.

They have already stated they are looking at all options, and knowing how things work, they can't just prematurely cancel simply because it would be an inconvenience for you to try and figure out a flight, hotel, and badge in weeks; again, the case as to why has been made if you'd take the 10 minutes to look.  If you want to attend, get the wheels in motion instead of waiting; if you don't feel like going, then don't be that guy like many on the Fans of Gen Con Facebook Group are being.

Posted by ar6474 kd8esu
#567

kd8esu wrote:
ckalinwi wrote:
grtbrt wrote:
I am somewhat mystified by many of the posts here .
They have stated -directly ,not beating around the bush at all - that they will make a statement when  appropriate .
Not too difficult .
I understand the want/need to post ,However all of the above postings have added nothing but conjecture .
Just wait until something definite is stated by Gen Con . 
Beyond your personal involvement (attending , running an event ,etc..) it is out of your control .
If they are like any other small company -they have a couple of staff members whose job now is to diagram out all the possibilities . So I am sure they have thought of everything anyone brings up .
In addition I am sure the ICVA is in constant contact with them (and all other events that may be impacted ) .
Ok -That was my soapbox speech . you can return to your postings .
Fair enough, but we're under three weeks from event registration.  The window is also starting to close on the more affordable flight and hotel reservations, not to mention time off requests from jobs (those of us that have them).  Vendors have advance product orders they'd be making soon for delivery by Con time (putting aside supply problems happening right now).  At some point  - maybe not now, but soon - the con should probably take it upon themselves to figure this out on their own.  We can't sit around until June 15th or July 1st for a state or federal authority to go "ok, everything's cool!" and then we're all scrambling in under six or three weeks to have a normal con.  Plus if the vendor hall is significantly diminished and there are far fewer games to play because of reduced attendance, can/will they charge the same prices for a badge?
As brought up SEVERAL TIMES before, they really can't cancel the event without Force Majeure kicking in; that is, unless you (as in the person behind the @ckalinwi screen) yourself are willing to pay the ENTIRE FEE for them to cancel early.  It's really not a call they can make by themselves without putting the entire Gen Con LLC in real danger of going under.  Several people have made the long, legal and financial case as to why Gen Con must act as if it's happening, even having a public face that this will happen; I am going with them because I understand and want to support my Summer Vacation.They have already stated they are looking at all options, and knowing how things work, they can't just prematurely cancel simply because it would be an inconvenience for you to try and figure out a flight, hotel, and badge in weeks; again, the case as to why has been made if you'd take the 10 minutes to look.  If you want to attend, get the wheels in motion instead of waiting; if you don't feel like going, then don't be that guy like many on the Fans of Gen Con Facebook Group are being.
Exactly, even if they want to cancel they need to put on the face that they are going through with everything. GenCon’s event insurance will not kick in if they cancel on their own  however if they are forced by the Local or Federal government to cancel  then they can be covered for their losses by  the insurance.

Posted by ar6474
#568

Here is an explanation and Reason behind why have to wait. 
 

Posted by lore seeker ar6474
#569

ar6474 wrote:
Here is an explanation and Reason behind why have to wait. 

Pretty enlightening stuff, but I don't think all organizers want to cancel their 2020 shows like the author said. Just off the top of my head, Origins merely postponed their con rather than cancel it outright, and there's a gaming tournament in my state that was postponed but whose organizer's attitude is basically "Come hell or high water, we ARE doing this in 2020 - I don't know exactly when yet, but it WILL happen."

Posted by steve_66 tarn
#570

tarn wrote:
All conventions will have to cancel for 2020. The latest news coming out of Spain is horrific. There is absolutely no way an event that puts thousands of people together will be safe this year. It is as if you are ringing the dinner bell for this virus. It is time to stop pretending the convention is going to happen. That is insanity. All events must cancel for 2020. It is the only way to be sure.
if this is your position and path of thought, cancel your own plans for GenCon 2020 now, and let those of us who still have hope for the gathering do as we will as we wait for an official Yay, or Nay.....  :)

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