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Posted by lore seeker donaldbain
#676

donaldbain wrote:
Official breakdown:
https://backontrack.in.gov/2348.htm
one dim spot:
Social gatherings of over 250 people may take place following the CDC social distancing guidelines. The coronavirus is often spread among groups of people who are in close contact in a confined space for an extended period of time. This limit applies to wedding receptions, parties, and other events where people are in close physical contact for extended periods of time 


That's where they could bring in ideas brainstormed in previous posts, like a strict mask requirement, limited occupancy in the ICC, and one-way lanes in the dealer's hall.

Posted by dballing lore seeker
#677

father bloodlust wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
Official breakdown:
https://backontrack.in.gov/2348.htm
one dim spot:
Social gatherings of over 250 people may take place following the CDC social distancing guidelines. The coronavirus is often spread among groups of people who are in close contact in a confined space for an extended period of time. This limit applies to wedding receptions, parties, and other events where people are in close physical contact for extended periods of time 


That's where they could bring in ideas brainstormed in previous posts, like a strict mask requirement, limited occupancy in the ICC, and one-way lanes in the dealer's hall.

Maybe, but I strongly suspect that's going to be where -- even if all the stars align for the scheduling of the phases, that's where Gen Con would theoretically fall short.

My gut tells me that the main way to be "compliant" is going to be the same way as movie theaters are starting to see here in Europe where there's like several seats between everyone, and they can only operate at 25% capacity but spread out over the same/entire occupy-able space. If GC has to pay for the whole complex but can (effectively) only get 25% of the folks in there, I have questions about the economic viability of that.   And vendors are going to balk at paying full price for 25% attendance.

 

Posted by lemauxjw
#678

Not sure GC is actually happy about this.   I think it puts a pretty decent hamper on their force majeure arguement.  
 

Posted by lore seeker dballing
#679

dballing wrote:
father bloodlust wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
Official breakdown:
https://backontrack.in.gov/2348.htm
one dim spot:
Social gatherings of over 250 people may take place following the CDC social distancing guidelines. The coronavirus is often spread among groups of people who are in close contact in a confined space for an extended period of time. This limit applies to wedding receptions, parties, and other events where people are in close physical contact for extended periods of time 


That's where they could bring in ideas brainstormed in previous posts, like a strict mask requirement, limited occupancy in the ICC, and one-way lanes in the dealer's hall.

Maybe, but I strongly suspect that's going to be where -- even if all the stars align for the scheduling of the phases, that's where Gen Con would theoretically fall short.My gut tells me that the main way to be "compliant" is going to be the same way as movie theaters are starting to see here in Europe where there's like several seats between everyone, and they can only operate at 25% capacity but spread out over the same/entire occupy-able space. If GC has to pay for the whole complex but can (effectively) only get 25% of the folks in there, I have questions about the economic viability of that.   And vendors are going to balk at paying full price for 25% attendance.

Maybe the allowed capacity will be larger than 25% (not sure what it might be offhand - I assume there's a formula based on square footage). And with at least some people cancelling their plans out of caution, the capacity limit might not be as big a problem as it might seem at first glance.

Posted by dballing lore seeker
#680

father bloodlust wrote:
dballing wrote:
father bloodlust wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
Official breakdown:
https://backontrack.in.gov/2348.htm
one dim spot:
Social gatherings of over 250 people may take place following the CDC social distancing guidelines. The coronavirus is often spread among groups of people who are in close contact in a confined space for an extended period of time. This limit applies to wedding receptions, parties, and other events where people are in close physical contact for extended periods of time 


That's where they could bring in ideas brainstormed in previous posts, like a strict mask requirement, limited occupancy in the ICC, and one-way lanes in the dealer's hall.

Maybe, but I strongly suspect that's going to be where -- even if all the stars align for the scheduling of the phases, that's where Gen Con would theoretically fall short.My gut tells me that the main way to be "compliant" is going to be the same way as movie theaters are starting to see here in Europe where there's like several seats between everyone, and they can only operate at 25% capacity but spread out over the same/entire occupy-able space. If GC has to pay for the whole complex but can (effectively) only get 25% of the folks in there, I have questions about the economic viability of that.   And vendors are going to balk at paying full price for 25% attendance.

Maybe the allowed capacity will be larger than 25% (not sure what it might be offhand - I assume there's a formula based on square footage). And with at least some people cancelling their plans out of caution, the capacity limit might not be as big a problem as it might seem at first glance.

Even if it's 50%, that's still 100% of expenses (in terms of space rental) and only 50% of revenue.

And that assumes that vendors are still willing to pony up for half as many customers.

*shrug*

This is all just guesswork at this point. There's far too many variables to make accurate predictions.

Posted by lore seeker dballing
#681

dballing wrote:
father bloodlust wrote:
dballing wrote:
father bloodlust wrote:
donaldbain wrote:
Official breakdown:
https://backontrack.in.gov/2348.htm
one dim spot:
Social gatherings of over 250 people may take place following the CDC social distancing guidelines. The coronavirus is often spread among groups of people who are in close contact in a confined space for an extended period of time. This limit applies to wedding receptions, parties, and other events where people are in close physical contact for extended periods of time 


That's where they could bring in ideas brainstormed in previous posts, like a strict mask requirement, limited occupancy in the ICC, and one-way lanes in the dealer's hall.

Maybe, but I strongly suspect that's going to be where -- even if all the stars align for the scheduling of the phases, that's where Gen Con would theoretically fall short.My gut tells me that the main way to be "compliant" is going to be the same way as movie theaters are starting to see here in Europe where there's like several seats between everyone, and they can only operate at 25% capacity but spread out over the same/entire occupy-able space. If GC has to pay for the whole complex but can (effectively) only get 25% of the folks in there, I have questions about the economic viability of that.   And vendors are going to balk at paying full price for 25% attendance.

Maybe the allowed capacity will be larger than 25% (not sure what it might be offhand - I assume there's a formula based on square footage). And with at least some people cancelling their plans out of caution, the capacity limit might not be as big a problem as it might seem at first glance.

Even if it's 50%, that's still 100% of expenses (in terms of space rental) and only 50% of revenue.And that assumes that vendors are still willing to pony up for half as many customers.
*shrug*
This is all just guesswork at this point. There's far too many variables to make accurate predictions.

As far as the vendors: discounts offered by the Gen Con company? *shrug* Just a random idea. You're right though - there's nothing we can really do besides speculate, watch, wait, and hope that Gen Con goes on as scheduled this year.

Posted by hahnarama helenbb
#682

helenbb wrote:
So happy to see the statement form the Indiana governor today! I am sure that the GenCon staff are feeling some relief as well. 

Well the ball is now in Mayor Hogsett's court . I wouldn't be jumping for joy just yet

Posted by lore seeker hahnarama
#683

hahnarama wrote:
helenbb wrote:
So happy to see the statement form the Indiana governor today! I am sure that the GenCon staff are feeling some relief as well. 

Well the ball is now in Mayor Hogsett's court . I wouldn't be jumping for joy just yet

Why's that?

Posted by officerdg lore seeker
#684

father bloodlust wrote:
hahnarama wrote:
helenbb wrote:
So happy to see the statement form the Indiana governor today! I am sure that the GenCon staff are feeling some relief as well. 

Well the ball is now in Mayor Hogsett's court . I wouldn't be jumping for joy just yet

Why's that?
Simple answer is this.  He does not have to follow the governors suggested  guidelines.  He can decide that since Indianapolis is our hot zone (for a lack of better terms) for covid-19 cases and deaths that he don't want to allow conventions or gas stations to be open.  In Indianapolis.

Posted by elvinlord
#685

Well if it does happen it will be one hell of a epidemiological study.  Contact tracers will be busy.  I wonder what the death rate and spread will be, hopefully low.  I don't really blame gen con moneys money, if they can't cancel out via government order it really puts them in a horrible position.  Hopefully the disease has settled down and there is widespread immunity in place by then to at least keep the case numbers down.

Posted by officerdg elvinlord
#686

elvinlord wrote:
Well if it does happen it will be one hell of a epidemiological study.  Contact tracers will be busy.  I wonder what the death rate and spread will be, hopefully low.  I don't really blame gen con moneys money, if they can't cancel out via government order it really puts them in a horrible position.  Hopefully the disease has settled down and there is widespread immunity in place by then to at least keep the case numbers down.
Gen Con shouldn't be out much of anything if it were to be cancelled.  I can't imagin they don't have insurance.

Posted by dballing officerdg
#687

officerdg wrote:
elvinlord wrote:
Well if it does happen it will be one hell of a epidemiological study.  Contact tracers will be busy.  I wonder what the death rate and spread will be, hopefully low.  I don't really blame gen con moneys money, if they can't cancel out via government order it really puts them in a horrible position.  Hopefully the disease has settled down and there is widespread immunity in place by then to at least keep the case numbers down.
Gen Con shouldn't be out much of anything if it were to be cancelled.  I can't imagin they don't have insurance.
while I’m not going to speculate about what insurance coverage gen con has or doesn’t have, I will point out that when this all first started there were a lot of articles talking about how most insurance plans taken out by event planners didn’t cover pandemics, and how literally shocking it was when Wimbledon I think it was actually had a pandemic clause and collected on it.

i would not count on that being a valid safety net.

Posted by k.trafton
#688

Last day to cancel hotel reservations and *only* be charged $50 is June 8. Last day to get a refund on badges and *only* be charged $10 per badge is June 14. I feel like I'm being held hostage while they push back making a decision week after week after week.

How about GenCon does the right thing and allow those of us who don't care to risk our lives to attend a game convention to get full refunds? Anybody want to calculate those odds?

 

Posted by jimdigris
#689

I'm not sure about how much vendors would be discouraged if there is less foot traffic.  Going to Gencon is about creating visibility.  The visibility leads to online sales and word of mouth.

Posted by cmegus k.trafton
#690

k.trafton wrote:
Last day to cancel hotel reservations and *only* be charged $50 is June 8. Last day to get a refund on badges and *only* be charged $10 per badge is June 14. I feel like I'm being held hostage while they push back making a decision week after week after week.
How about GenCon does the right thing and allow those of us who don't care to risk our lives to attend a game convention to get full refunds? Anybody want to calculate those odds?

Here are some odds:

0.019%

... which is:

5385 to 1

For fear of getting banned, I am not going to say any more. But these numbers should suffice,

G
 

Posted by chaddelp k.trafton
#691

k.trafton wrote:
Last day to cancel hotel reservations and *only* be charged $50 is June 8. Last day to get a refund on badges and *only* be charged $10 per badge is June 14. I feel like I'm being held hostage while they push back making a decision week after week after week.
How about GenCon does the right thing and allow those of us who don't care to risk our lives to attend a game convention to get full refunds? Anybody want to calculate those odds?
 
if you are REALLY worried about your life, then 60$ should not matter

Posted by elvinlord chaddelp
#692

chaddelp wrote:if you are REALLY worried about your life, then 60$ should not matter
I am know I am waiting until the day before the next fee increase before I cancel just so I can see what gencon does.  Right now I am out $60.  It costs me nothing to wait and maybe they will roll over the money without me losing $60 dollars.

Posted by officerdg chaddelp
#693

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Posted by k.trafton chaddelp
#694

chaddelp wrote:
k.trafton wrote:
Last day to cancel hotel reservations and *only* be charged $50 is June 8. Last day to get a refund on badges and *only* be charged $10 per badge is June 14. I feel like I'm being held hostage while they push back making a decision week after week after week.
How about GenCon does the right thing and allow those of us who don't care to risk our lives to attend a game convention to get full refunds? Anybody want to calculate those odds?
if you are REALLY worried about your life, then 60$ should not matter
Actually I'm on the hook for $90 because my family was planning to attend. We have already decided we will not be going because, yes, we REALLY are concerned for our safety. I simply believe that the pandemic is more than enough reason to waive the cancellation fees.

Posted by traveller
#695

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So we have our first official news that relates to Gencon.  Per the state of Indiana the expectation is for things to return to normal on or around July 4.  This includes all events/festivals (Gencon included) to return to 100% occupancy.  So baring a resurgence of the virus we can expect no road blocks (beyond the standard IDOT 465) to Gencon happening. 

Right now, I'll wait and see what the next decision GC makes.  I would guess, and its only a guess, that they will wait a few more weeks (pushing the normal event catalog release out 1-2 weeks) to see if the virus reacts to the state opening up.

Cover your mouth and nose, wash your hands.  We all need to come together and stay away from each other.

Safe Travels

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