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Posted by dballing traveller

traveller wrote:
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So we have our first official news that relates to Gencon.  Per the state of Indiana the expectation is for things to return to normal on or around July 4.  This includes all events/festivals (Gencon included) to return to 100% occupancy.  So baring a resurgence of the virus we can expect no road blocks (beyond the standard IDOT 465) to Gencon happening. 
Right now, I'll wait and see what the next decision GC makes.  I would guess, and its only a guess, that they will wait a few more weeks (pushing the normal event catalog release out 1-2 weeks) to see if the virus reacts to the state opening up.
Cover your mouth and nose, wash your hands.  We all need to come together and stay away from each other.
Safe Travels

To be clear it doesn't say "return to normal", it says "resume operation", and includes a proviso that social-distancing guidelines would still need to be met.

It'd be up to organizers to sort out how to "operate" while adhering to those guidelines. If they can't (and I can see where that may be very difficult, especially given some of the current guidelines anyway), then they wouldn't be able to operate. If they *can* operate, it would almost certainly come with capacity or spacing issues (you think will-call line is long before, wait til everyone needs a 6' gap between each other, and don't get started on trying to get _into_ the exhibitor hall.

And that's all still predicated on the stars aligning with the new-case numbers, which almost nobody believes will continue to go downward without ever slipping (which would cause Indiana to either "not move to the next phase as scheduled" or to "shift backward a phase" depending on in-situ analysis).

In short: Rumors of the impending normality are greatly exaggerated.

Posted by lore seeker

It's not new case numbers that need to decrease though, it's hospitalized case numbers.

Posted by dballing lore seeker

father bloodlust wrote:
It's not new case numbers that need to decrease though, it's hospitalized case numbers.

fair. I would suspect that these two numbers would go down largely in lock-step with each other, but it's fair to call out the distinction.

Posted by matthias9 chaddelp

chaddelp wrote:
k.trafton wrote:
Last day to cancel hotel reservations and *only* be charged $50 is June 8. Last day to get a refund on badges and *only* be charged $10 per badge is June 14. I feel like I'm being held hostage while they push back making a decision week after week after week.
How about GenCon does the right thing and allow those of us who don't care to risk our lives to attend a game convention to get full refunds? Anybody want to calculate those odds?
if you are REALLY worried about your life, then 60$ should not matter

110% agree with this.  

People probably feel they shouldn't by out ANY money because it is no fault of their own.  But, you have to realize that these costs ARE going to be absorbed by someone somewhere.  The pandemic isn't Gen Con's fault either.

It's hard to know what Gen Con's insurance situation is for a thing like this.  No point speculating.  Even if they were able to get out of all contracts due to State of Indiana edicts, there would still be the matter of paying their staff for a whole year (to name just one cost) - and doing that with zero revenue.  How many companies do you know of that go a whole year without any revenue at all and are still around the next year?

Speaking just for myself, if there is any question about whether this would break Gen Con financially and impact future conventions... well, 'donating' $60+ is literally the least I could do.  The people running this convention have already given me decades worth of good times. 

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Posted by akb

I wonder how many people with badges and rooms reserved are now out of work and suddenly reevaluating the value of $60.

Posted by tinabear81

Marion County, which includes Indy, is under stay at home orders through the 15th. It may or may not be modified after that based on what the city and state are seeing. 

As for insurance policies, it has already been pointed out that a pandemic clause is a rare thing. Maybe Gencon has one, maybe they don’t. We don’t know and they aren’t saying, nor do they need to.
I’m pretty sure that if one looks into the terms and conditions they agreed to when buying badges from Gencon LLC or booking from Q rooms, the $10.00 per badge fee and the $50.00 room fee aren’t refundable. As consumers, we agreed to those terms when we bought badges and/or booked rooms through Q Rooms. It may not seem fair at the moment, but it is what we all agreed to in the terms and conditions. 

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Posted by mikeboozer

Will do what we need to keep the thread open.

Mike

Posted by ckalinwi lemauxjw

lemauxjw wrote:
Not sure GC is actually happy about this.   I think it puts a pretty decent hamper on their force majeure arguement.  
 

Gen Con has never officially made a "we can't cancel yet due to force majeure" argument.  They're sort of _acting_ like it, but the actual existence of that problem is just as speculative as anything else out there, despite the tweets of experts who in reality are running cons that take up the Armada Room at the local Holiday Inn (where the economics are completely different).

Posted by jedijawa74

Commercial insurance policies are very different from consumer insurance policies. There isn’t a “standard package” where you just click the boxes. I feel for the event organizers because it would seem they are in a tough spot where the government isn’t going to give them the out on their decision.

What a tough decision to make. Risk mass disease transmission and the health of the attendees and hope that you get enough attendees to make the balance sheet move from the red to the black or take the loss now, cut losses, and alienate the people who either don’t believe that COVID-19 is a big deal or don’t care. 

Posted by traveller mikeboozer

mikeboozer wrote:
Will do what we need to keep the thread open.
Mike

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Posted by tinabear81

I’d cast raise dead, but the horse has been dead for too long. Reincarnate might work though.

Posted by traveller

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if we don't stop this and get back on topic, Mike will come along and 

<insert picture of monty python foot stomp>

Posted by wildcat78

Posted by wildcat78

1.  Command undead for the horse.

2.  Protection from Mike 10' Radius for myself because others continue to spam "Summon Mike" 

3.  Serious question here - will it be considered insensitive to cosplay as "plague doctor" and "diseased zombie" etc... those who have lost family/friends/loved ones to the virus?  There are already certain restrictions on the cosplay / costume contest - maybe something to consider?

 

Posted by lore seeker wildcat78

wildcat78 wrote:
3.  Serious question here - will it be considered insensitive to cosplay as "plague doctor" and "diseased zombie" etc... those who have lost family/friends/loved ones to the virus?  There are already certain restrictions on the cosplay / costume contest - maybe something to consider?
 

Yeah, I'm thinking that kinda thing might be in poor taste/too soon.

Along those same lines, I've actually kind of wondered if post-apocalyptic fiction in general (whether video games, RPGs, movies, or whatever) has lost its appeal for some people in these times.

Posted by cloak72 lore seeker

father bloodlust wrote:
wildcat78 wrote:
3.  Serious question here - will it be considered insensitive to cosplay as "plague doctor" and "diseased zombie" etc... those who have lost family/friends/loved ones to the virus?  There are already certain restrictions on the cosplay / costume contest - maybe something to consider?

Yeah, I'm thinking that kinda thing might be in poor taste/too soon.Along those same lines, I've actually kind of wondered if post-apocalyptic fiction in general (whether video games, RPGs, movies, or whatever) has lost its appeal for some people in these times.
Sensitivities are an individual thing.    Will someone get offended/hurt?   Definitely.   In a crowd as big as GenCon (even on a scaled down size) you will get someone who's going to get offended by just about anything....   Does that mean you should/shouldn't do it?   Depends on how you feel about it.   It's not a bad thing to keep other's feelings in mind, but one also shouldn't walk on eggshells constantly worrying about everyone else's feelings.   Like I said about, someone is gonna get offended.

As for the bleaker games losing popularity, I think that you might be surprised.   There's a lot of therapeutic value in confronting issues through a narrative, and gaining at least the appearance of control.   It's just as possible that they will become more popular as people seek to "overcome" the problems that we're facing.

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